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sunday. "today" show on sunday. >> you can't talk to a more fun guy. i went to austin, texas, he is premiering latest movie on netflix. do i have to say more? >> the big gets, they stop at willie. >> thank you, mr. mayor. i appreciate it. >> thank you, all. that does it for us. stephanie rule picks up the coverage. >> good morning. i'm stephanie rule starting with terror. terror in new zealand. at least 49 people dead with dozens more injured after gunman opened fire inside two mosques in the city of christ church. four people are now in custody. as normally peaceful nation is rocked with unspeakable vils. violence. >> bloody spitting on me. splashing on me and i'm thinking, oh, my god, oh, my god, it's going it happen to me now but fortunately i'm alive. a dozen gop senators join
democrats voting to end president trump's national emergency declaration. the president tweeting one word after the vote. veto! republicans had much more to say! >> the use of national emergency powers to circumvent congress's funding is a precedent. >> this is a balance of powers. >> beto barnstorming across iowa as donations come powering in from every state across the nation. the former congressman tries to separate himself in a very crowded democratic field. >> this country has never faced a greater set of challenges. we are all going to have to pull together. we have to fix this democracy and make it work for and represent everyone. we begin thois morning with devastating news.
two shootings in two mosques a nation known as one of the most peaceful countries in the world, until today. let's get you caught up on what specifically we know. the nation's police commissioner confirming a short time ago that a total of 49 people are dead and dozens more injured in the attacks that took place in the city of christ church. witnesses are describing a scene of pure terror. >> i was heard of the shooting of the shooting of the shooting. it went on about six minute or more. and i could hear screaming and crying and i saw some people where, you know, drop dead. and some people running away. i was in a wheelchair. i could not go anywhere. >> right now one man in his late 20s has been charged with murder. three others have been detained.
it is unclear what their roles may have been. new zealand's prime minister is describing the shootings as a terrorist attack saying it appeared to be well-planned. she called it one of new zealand's darkest days. and had this message for those targeted in the attacks. >> many of those who will have been directly affected by this shooting may be migrants to new zealand and chosen to make new zealand their home and it is their home. they are us. the person who has perpetuated this violence against us is not. they have no place in new zealand. >> here at home, police departments around the u.s., including new york city, san francisco, and los angeles, say they will be making extra passing calls to mosques and assessing security as a precaution following the devastating events in new zealand. nbc news chief global correspondent bill neely is following the latest
developments from london. what are you hearing, bill, specifically, about the attacks on these two mosques? what has happened in the last few hours? >> reporter: good morning. stephanie, horrifying. the worst ever mass shooting in new zealand. we now know the gunman was wearing a bullet-proof vest, that he moved from room-to-room at one mosque, killing men and women and children. at one point, he went back to his car, he reloaded or took another gun and returned to the mosque. all of that taking about 15 minutes, according to witnesses. then a second mosque was attacked. police haven't said if the same gunman was involved there. he is described by authorities as an antiimmigrant terrorist and that is certainly clear from the so-called manifesto that he wrote, which i've been looking at. this all began during friday prayers. survivors saying they just prayed for the bullets to stop. it was a massacre without mercy.
minutes after the massacre, a stream of wounded begin arriving at city hospitals, many with multiple gunshot wounds. armed police still hunting for gunmen still unsure if the attacks are over. and everywhere, dazed survivors who had been through unimaginable horror. >> the blood is spitting on me. i mean, splashing on me and i think, oh, my god, oh, my god. it's going to happen to me now. fortunately, i'm alive. >> reporter: this man saw the killer. >> he do this and glasses and helmet and dress in military and mission gun. >> reporter: minutes after the shooting police were intermediate arresting a man. they later held two other armed men and a woman and find two explosive devices attached to cars. >> so far, one person, a male in his late 20s, has been charged with murder.
and should appear in the christ church court tomorrow morning. >> reporter: police say he was not on any new zealand terror watch list. the massacre in christ church began around 1:40 in the afternoon at the al noor mosque and 40 killed there and a mosque at linwood attacked and seven killed. police recovered automatic weapons in a horrifying twist, they say the man streamed his massacre live from a body camera and left along anti-immigrant document. >> it is clear this is one of new zealand's darkest days. clearly what has happened here is an extraordinary end and precedented act of violence. >> we stand here and condemn absolutely the attack that occurred today by an extremist
right wing violent terrorist. >> reporter: police are advising new zealanders to avoid all mosques after an attack that has stunned this normally peaceful country. police sources have named the killer at 28-year-old brenton tearent and raiding homes right now. they say the attack was planned over many months. 48 people are in hospitals, including young children and it's a terrible irony, stephanie, that many killed were refuges from war zones seeking peace in what was one of the world's safety country. >> that is a sick irony indeed. thank you. joining me is malcolm nantz and ben collins and richard eng engel. i'm normally so happy to do you, richard, but today, not so much. malcolm, i want to go to you first. authorities say that the men who were charged here did not appear on any terrorism watch list. no agency had information about
them. how could that be? >> very simple. there is a fundamental problem in the global counterterrorism world in that terrorists, as far as they are concerned, only come in one replace flavor -- muslim. he was caucasian and part of the followers of a mass murderer of norway who shot dead over 80 children. that was a few years ago. they do not watch right-wing extremism and the now cropping up everywhere. >> the white nationalist manifesto that was posted online before the attacks, you say there are a couple of things that ring obvious bells. remind our audience whenever people say a nationalist is the same thing as a patriot. no, it's not. >> right. he was a white nationalist. that is what he was. we mean that in the sense that he only wanted white people in
his nation. that is what white nationalism mean. how are you going to get only white people in a nation? this is how you do it to these people. the entire manifesto is about this. of course, there is trolling in there, there is stuff in there because he was so rared on life. >> what do you mean? how? where? >> he posted this manifesto on an extremest website where anonymous people can post what they want and he was cheered on after he posted this thing opinion this is the blind spot you're talking about, right? this stuff is not monitored with the same sort of rigor and because it's a political issue, it's become a political issue for really no reason but these people are committing terrorist act over and over again using the same platforms, getting
radicalized by these same algorithms over and over again. the tech companies. when was the last time you saw that on youtube, probably not, right? >> never. >> tech companies can do this and stop this but they have made it a political issue that it really isn't. >> hold on. in addition to the manifesto the attacks were streamed on facebook live and posted on youtube. facebook executives saying it's trying to connect to your high school friends? please. >> it wasn't up long and they took it down. when isis killed a french police officer they streamed it online and crimes and murders posted online. this attacker wanted maximum exposure. he was putting out his manifesto full of white extremist and hate. you notice one little image we showed. we showed the actual gun that
was used. did you notice writing all over the begun they blurted it out? he was writing names of other white extremists, slogans on the actual weapon as he was using this to carry out his mission of destiny. so this was someone who planned this attack, dressed himself for combat with ballistic goggles on, covering his weapon with the jargon of the philosophy, and then went into this mosque and started shooting. he wanted exposure so, you know, he is going to try to put it online and write his manifesto. he wants to change the world and have a white revolution against muslims and basic corps of this manifesto that nonwhite people are breeding out the white people, therefore you need to eliminate them. >> that is why he posted this on social media maximum exposure is the point here? >> yes. he wanted to emulate the same
behaviors from the norwegian who went to an island and shot 69 children dead and his actual stated purpose was to eliminate the next generation of norwegian liberal leadership. this man is revered around the world. he also wrote a manifesto tell them -- i contend with the phrase white nationalist. this is a white internationalist, you know, white supremacist international. >> in the -- >> they do -- >> from canada who was the mosque shooter. his weapons, what he had written on those weapons were great generals and leaders who had fought the muslim world at the -- at vienna and istanbul and all of these things were symbols that were written on his weapons and his magazine in order to foster this belief that -- he said it in his
manifesto. the white race is being eliminated by, quote/unquote innovators. he views this as an extension of a countercrusade and he said specifically to wake up the world. he mentioned the united states in trying to divide us along the second amendment. >> going back to what you talked about earlier. a fundamental problem. when white people carry out crimes it's called hate crime. when muslims do it it's called terrorism and a lot more resources have gone into fighting activism that have gone into fighting hate crimes. >> i want to talk about this. you put a tweet out this morning where you write the following. please tell me about this. >> yep. i was scoffed at by an executive
at youtube. >> don't laugh. tell me what happened. >> look. we have over and over again talked to these companies about the last time this happened, right? a couple of days before midterms. a gip wuy who shot the synagogu pittsburgh. i said invaders are coming and coming through the caravan and backed by this jewish trying to take out the white house race. we talked to the tech companies and youtube. >> what do they say to you? >> they are saying "we are working on it." >> i don't understand the working on part. >> that is the thing. youtube put out a statement today saying, we are really working to take down the video of the shooting. that is great. that is wonderful. but it's the months before the shooting where these people go down rabbit holes and maybe start at racist and end up as extremists. that is the stuff they are not
working on at the level they can. they do it with isis. why can't we do it with this? >> we will stay on this story. thank you all so much. i appreciate your expertise. republican-led senate rejects president trump's border declaration in a stunning vote. a number of republicans voting for a resolution to stop the president from going around congress to build his border wall teeing up what will most likely be the first veto vote of his presidency. remember, this is about the constitution. this is about the sxraeparation power and much more than the president and his wall. i switched to liberty mutual,
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welcome back. i'm stephanie rule. president trump set to deliver his first veto. it is the biggest legislative rebuke of his presidency so far after 12 republican senators joined democrats in supporting the measure which passed 59-41. i want to bring in nbc jeff bennett live at the white house. the the president seemed clear on twitter about his intentions for the bill. for trump supporters this is a win to watch him on the campaign trail say this is what i'm going to do no matter what and follow through this. take the constitution and separation of power aside this is in trump's lane. >> you're right.
nbc news has news that he has ten days to use his veto pen and do it as early as today. i've talked to some of the president's ally whose are trying to spin this entire episode as a win. they are saying it shows that the president is willing to the mat on the signature issue to the point he is willing to confront congress. this is an embarrassing show of gop disunity for president trump. i'm told he was working the phones earlier this week trying to limit defections and casting this really as trying to frame it as an issue of personal loyalty to him but in the end it didn't sit well with the 12 republicans you see on your screen there who defected with democrats who say that the president overstepped his authority and set a really dangerous precedent in trying to usurp the authority of congress. steph? >> i got to bring my panel in on this one. a.b. stoddard and michael peska
and ceo of wpa intelligence chris wilson. chris, i go to you first. these 12 republicans, they are no vote. some on this list like maine senator susan collins and rand paul were expected. others like rob portman and lamar alexander, what do you take from their move? >> it's not as simple it was constitutional. a tricky nuance question and i have clients on both sides of it. i had senator cruz who voted to support the president's position on this and it comes down on article one and national emergency act passed in 1976 and every president since then used it to declare a national emergency applied in the situation. senator cruz said his belief on the border and in february alone 76,000 detainees and 1700 families came across the border with a child that could have been -- that was not their own but claimed it was their own, he said this is an emergency.
because of that that is really what it gets down to. why senator cruz agreed to vote yes on this he got a commitment from the president to reform the national emergency act that provides a hundred different situation and specifically that allow you to declare an emergency and that is too much and what he said we need to reform this. >> but have other clients who did the opposite? >> i did. in the case of senator lee he believes that the national emergency act in and of itself is not constitutional. like i said it's a nuance position and you get down to -- you get down to -- to cases going back to 1981 versions reagan they determined ts a emergency policy or not. cruz believe it is and senator lee may disagree with that. it's not enough to say it's a constitutional issue. it is deeper than that and it's nuanced. >> how about it being a re-election issue? a.b. who is standing with the president it seems to be people
overwhelmingly up for re-election. >> it's surprising so many went with the president fearing the primary challenge. more than the damage this vote does to their general election prospects. in colorado, north carolina, arizona, iowa, texas, and georgia, places where democrats will be very motivated, very energized. and that republicans now believe are in play and threatens their senate majority. interesting to see susan collins, the only republican in cycle who placed the general election in her campaign next year over her -- the threat of a primary challenge unlike the others. >> michael, what is your take? i'm looking at "the denver pos" calling it a mistake for corey gardner. >> that is the case. i don't know if there was a reason to do this before donald trump thrusted it upon us. i have to think -- chris, if
mike lee and ted cruz got in a room soul mates and defeated the merits of this issue i cannot imagine ted cruz either winning that debate or full throatedly backing it. it's hard to say this is an advancement of the constitution and a protection of the branch in which they serve. the other thing i would say it seems as a long-term strategy. it is just terrible for the republicans because there is not always going to be -- >> michael, nobody has a long-term strategy in business, politics, or life today. come on. >> well, a, perhaps they should. >> listen. i'm with you perhaps they should but welcome to short-termism 2019. >> if there is a president bernie sanders in 2020 and he wants to fund medicaid for all as he defines it with 30 trillion and congress says no and he says it's a emergency what is congress to do?
thank you, senator cruz, for that. >> i don't know if it's used for improper services. when president obama used it not true emergencies. it gets down to the definition what is an emergency or not? i think reasonable people with agree or disagree on that. it is what the vote on yesterday whether or not you believe the crisis at the border is an emergency. ted cruz and john cornyn two texas senators both said they believed it was. >> i think you have to trust that branch of congress called the legislative which is an article i branch and they are not doing it, not doing their job. >> it is in article i. democrats are still short of the votes they need to override this veto by president trump. what are they to do here? >> senator schumer, the democrat irleader in the senate said they will bring up more votes and talk about doing it every two
months. i don't know the next move. they will not have a vote to override the veto since there won't be enough votes to override the veto and why republicans are privately calling this the jail break vote because this was the vote for republicans who call themselves constitutional conservatives to come out and express themselves on. i'm surprised there weren't more of them, someone like senator pat roberts who is retiring from kansas. he doesn't have to fear the wrath of the right wing of the party in his state. this was the vote. they won't have another one. democrats can make plans for future votes and i'm sure will. >> i'm sure they will. up next the latest on the terror attack in new zealand. 49 people dead, dozens of others injured and a suspect in custody after two mosques were targeted by terrorists. we are live on the ground in christ church with the latest on this masked shooting. plus, the connecticut
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welcome back. update on the breaking news out of new zealand. 49 dead and dozens injured in attacks at two mosques during friday prayer services. those hurt range from children to adults and injuries from minor to critical. one man in his late 20s have been charged with murder and described as an antiimmigrant terrorist. he posted a manifesto online shortly before the attacks matching known details of the shootings and include antimuslim rhetoric and references to radicalization ve ia the intern. the new zealand police commissioner with an update a few minutes ago. >> few people were apprehended. we believe one of those persons who was armed and was at the scene may have nothing to do with this incident.
and the two others people that have been apprehended in possession of firearms in the general environment, we are working through to understand what their involvement is. >> new zealand's prime minister is describing the shootings as a terrorist attack saying it appeared to be well planned. i want to take you live to christ church, new zealand, where nbc sarah james is standing by. you are at the scene. my thoughts are with you and everyone there. what are they telling you. >> reporter: thank you, stephanie. i'm about a mile from the scene of the most horrific of the two mosque shootings. both of them awful today. right behind me is the main hospital here in christ church where the victims who survived were taken to hospitals and that was all happening just a little more than 12 hours ago as the scene unfolded in what is really an incredible peaceful and law abiding country.
this came as an enormous shock. this was the biggest mass shooting ever in new zealand and by an exponential factor. what people are saying here now they cannot believe what happened in their particular town and in particular what happened in those mosques. let's have a listen to what one >> dress inside military and gun -- machine gun of m-16 and me i'm running. he go inside and he go one-by-one everybody and some people died. >> fighting. it comes from the main entrance. main entrance of the building. and then everybody run to the back doors just to save themselves. >> reporter: you can see that same shock and sadness that is really what is happening all across here in christ church
tonight. it's much quieter here now in the evening hours. the hospital earlier to do was on lockdown but now they are just trying to make sure that those who survive get better so they can return to their families. >> thank you. we turn to gun violence in this country. a major legal blow to one of america's biggest beggun manufacturers. a previously dismissed by supreme court of the families of the sandy hook families of the remington arms family. they manufactured the weapon used in the 2012 elementary school shooting which killed 20 children and 6 adults. the court's decision opens the doors for those families to subpoena internal documents on just how remington marketed how they went out there and sold the ar-15. joining is a dear friend of mine managing director of the sandy hook promise and her son dylan
was killed in that shooting. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> reporter: i didn't think we would start with this. of course, last night we see another mass shooting in new zealand. what was your reaction? >> it's just incomprehensible. i can't understand how somebody can gun down people and my heart is broken and shocked for all of those families. >> reporter: do you see similarities for gun violence in this country? new zealand is a much smaller country and an awful lot of people there who do own guns but the actual violence that is reported out of there is tiny, tiny compared to what we see here. >> it is very tiny. they do have stricter gun safety laws in new zealand in terms of the ability to purchase weapons and the requirement for safety and training, safe storage and training to have those firearms so i think that a little bit different from what we have here. but it's still incomprehensible
somebody would take a weapon used for hunting and protection and use that to kill innocent people. >> let's talk about this lawsuit then. explain to me why the marketing of the ar-15. for those who done the story and don't understand it, what exactly is it about? >> this is really important because when the plcaa ruling was made years ago and granted immunity to gun manufacturers, congress didn't intend for that to be a blanket immunity. what the gun manufacturer has done and what we are seeing remington for they took that to the extreme and basically said we can do whatever we want and marketing to disturbed young men saying this is the next best thing to being in the military and this is what you need to be a man. >> what was the marketing? >> some of the sloganses are consider your man card issued and forces of opposition, bow down. the next thing to being in the military and kind of slogans they were using and sorts of
stimulus the shooter for my son responded to and why the ar-15 made by remington is the mass shooter joyce of weapon. >> what is the next step? >> the next step is discovery and fascinating because we will have access to the internal documents to remington and what were their sales/marketing and strategies and how did they determine their go to marketed plans to sell these weapons to these people and will show they need to be responsible. it's not about making them stop manufacturing the guns. this is about holding them accountable and responsible, much similar to the tobacco industry years ago had to change their practices. >> connecticut senator richard blumenthal made that comparison. i want to share what he said. quote.
it was the way cigarettes were marketed to people. is that what this is about? >> that's what this is about. it's not about the gun itself. it's the way it's marketed and making sure that gun manufacturers don't have blanket immunity. you still have to do things responsible and ethically and their marketizing reckless and causing damage because it is reaching out to people who are disturbed and who are using their weapons not in the way they were intended to be used. >> at any point since the attack about did you ever hear a letter anything from remington saying i'm so sorry this happened? >> i have received hundreds and thousands of letters and context from well-wishers all over the world. i don't recall ever receiving any communication from any of them. >> in coal, thank you for being here. we think of dylan often.
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they are trying to go small and try to start a more traditional iowa campaign. i'm in a coffee shop here. most of the folks in this room are probably press and speaking to that celebrity candidate is part of this. they are trying to speak to small groups and introduce o'rourke one to one to people in counties like this one. trump counties in '16 but barack obama counties in 2012. they are trying to draw people back in the fold. you mentioned a message of unity. he is trying to do an introduction to himself that a lot of folks in iowa are only sort of knowledgeable about, the guy who came close to beating ted cruz did ybut didn't quite . they are excited about this early but a reminder its earl aearly in this election. >> i want to bring my panel in.
a.b. stoddard and chris lee. chris, you know the impact of beto o'rourke. you know what it was like when he was up against ted cruz. right now, democrats, many across the board are saying this is the great hope and republicans are saying, the best thing he ever did was lose to ted cruz. what kind of opponent he is? >> i think you have texas democrats right now sort of rolling their eyes as his activities in iowa. he'll do a lot of events but now he is doing events for other democrats and upset the democratic party in texas because he wouldn't help campaign for others. in fact, there the democratic nominee against will herd yesterday was tweeting true to form the fact he was refusing to show up at one campaign event. i think give him credit as a solid fund-raiser and in terms of the number of events he does but he has an odd record to run for president for the democratic party. he says i support kneeling for
the national anthem but the oil industry's favorite congressman from texas on the democratic party and he voted on the city council to use eminent domain to help his father-in-law build a luxury condos. i thinkin' interesting record to couch in you're running against bernie sanders and can i raise the same kind of money and generate the same kind of volunteers as he could against ted cruz for the democratic party. >> el paso revitalization was -- it did help el paso so address that. >> it did. to categorize saying he went with eminent domain to -- >> it didn't actually occur. he lost the vote. >> there was a revitalization plan he did champion and it did help el paso. >> the bar doesn't say that. >> there are people there upset by the vote. >> right. >> that said, i think when it comes to beto, whenever the
debate is on style, he wins. he generally has good style. when we heard the president making fun of his hand gestures but who cares? i don't know what his policy positions are. >> is it not early to know what they are? when president trump came down the escalator at trump tower, what were his policies that mexicans are rapists and my wife is a super model? >> that is not a representation what we want our politicians to could. >> it was somebody who won and is president of the united states. >> we win? sure. he gets people excited. i would like to know from a policy perspective where he actually stands. i heard a couple of your descriptions of him and it is true in texas the oil industry liked him. you can also say if you want to be a successful politician in texas, you should get the oil industry to like you! >> it's a fair point.
if you're anti-oil industry and you're in texas i hope you enjoy being a private citizen. a.b., what is your take? >> well, you can hear in chris' comments -- and i don't know that beto o'rourke will win the nomination or end up on the ticket because i don't know what --ic voter will be think and what is expected to be a 14-month primary that ends next may. you can hear what republicans think of beto o'rourke. they believe he is a threat to 38 electoral votes in texas that would explode the map for president trump and why the club for growth began attacking him in ads this week before he even announced, because they believe -- head of club of growth was on the record about this -- he is a threat. that is why you see this republican criticism of his early record. it's not a lot to criticize. there are some democrats in texas that are frustrated with him but he elected a lot of
democrats in texas. it was the lowest voter turnout in the country before 2018. he has woken up the new independent vote in texas and why texas is in play if he runs. on his policy positions, he is going to be intentionally vague because this is a long primary process and we are not sure where primary voters are going on medicare for all. some people think it was a mistake for someone like kamala harris to jump on the green new deal before it became sort of a controversial joke, right? so he is being vague on purpose. we will see how the voters deal with that. we will see how that unfolds in the debates but i think it's probably a smart strategy at this particular time. >> if joe biden enters the race and more and more people think he will, he just met with stacy
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earlier this week speaker nancy pelosi caused a major stir among democrats when she poured cold water on the idea of impeaching president trump saying it was not worth it. but that runs counter to what many in the democratic base are saying. and time magazine thinks that even though democrats don't want to talk about impeachment, it's probably coming anyway. joining me now, washington bureau chief for time magazine. nancy pelosi says no impeachment, and you guys say it's coming anyway. why? >> so as your previous segment noted, many of the folk involved in the 2020 campaign as well as many of the people in the house caucus for the democrats are eager to pursue impeachment, and the core insight of the piece is nancy pelosi is not so much blocking that as she is managing
it. and there's -- she has very good reasons for managing it both for the political outcome and also for the consequences for the party more broadly. >> but what can she do? the house voted unanimously yesterday to make the mueller report publicly, unanimously. and then straight out of the gate lindsey graham blocked it in the senate. so isn't that the real problem? no matter what the house does, the senate will say no thanks? >> that's the problem she's managing. there's two recent historical precedence for how it plays out. nixon stepping down, and one is '98, clinton emerging from the process politically strengthened. republicans damaged by their attack against him. pelo pelosi is trying to make sure it steers toward the '74 outcome. the challenge is if the house just rushes forward, declares impeachment a goal, says they're
going to go to it, has a big drama and then it goes straight to the senate, and falls flat, the calculation at the leader's -- in the leader's group is that that is a politically damaging outcome for the democrats. what she set as a standard is not so much we'll never do impeachment as it has to gain popular support and it has to gain republican support so there's an outcome that's better for them. >> isn't this situation much different than the last two. impeachment, i'll sacall them controversies. nixon and clinton were well into their second terp befoms before saw the misconduct. we've been talking about this since straight out of the gate at election. come 2020 election time won't voters have a clearer picture of what's gone on here and there's less pressure for democrats to do something in terms of impeachment? >> that's an interesting point. i think the facts are to be
established. we don't know what's going to be in the mueller report. we don't know what the house investigations are going to show, but that, again, gets to the point of the piece which is the process that pelosi is putting in place is to try and establish those facts. regardless of what the coming battle between congress and bill barr at the justice department produces in terms of information from the mueller report. the question is what other facts can the democratic investigators in the house put on the table that make this a more compelling political case for the democrats. >> thank you. we'll soon find out. i leave it with kellyanne conway's husband's tweet. who writes some day all of a sudden it's going to be like the berlin wall coming down. you never know what straw is going to break the camel's back, but i firmly believe this is going to happen. a well-known conservative lawyer. good coverage this week. >> my pleasure. after a week we saw news of
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brothers. that wraps up this hour. i'll see you at 1:00 p.m. with ali vel shi. right now hallie jackson. developments after the horrific terror attack overseas. it is 3:00 a.m. in new zealand. an anti-muslim gunman killed nearly 50 people in two mosques. the deadliest attack in the country's history. we have the latest on the victims, the survivors and the hunt for more suspects with the president this morning sending his condolences from the white house. some 2020 candidates are too, as we watch two campaign events back home live this hour. kiersten jill brandt in new hampshire. beto o'roarke in iowa on his first full day as a candidate. >> why shouldn't voters be concerned about voting for you with your lack of experience? >> that answer along with what he's saying about whether the president should be impeached. plus here in washington, a declaration of